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  DA Letters

  by Ding in

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  to the elders and ex-elders on the board:.

  does the wt have any instructions to elders about reading or not reading all the contents of the da letters people submit?.

  i'm thinking that the society may not want elders looking at the reasons and "apostate literature" a daing person might submit in support of their letter....

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  jean-luc picard

  I can find no mention in particular to reading a letter of DA or not, in wt rules and regulations.

  However, the judicial committee is interested in only if the person requests to dissassociate himself or not.

  They would be unlikely to read a letter, carefully looking to see if his new views are founded or not in the

  scriptures.

  They "flee" from apostasy, so would, in my opinion, be unlikely to read all the details.

  Remember, they are three. Even if one were curious, he would be unlikely to admit it in front of the others.

  All details would then be put in a sealed envellop and kept indefinitley, so unlikely, too, that the envellop would

  be reopened later, to be read by a curious elder.
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  Apocalypse WOW

  by Mr. Falcon in

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  after looking at the latest 2011 "god's gonna cut you down" district convention invite, i found myself getting a strange and familiar feeling.

  back when i was mentally in the borg, i used to actually get a bit intimidated by the "fire & brimstone" message on these things.

  and now that i've mentally unshackled myself, i am beginning to see the deep-seated psychological effect that a lifetime of dogma has infused in me.

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  jean-luc picard

  Mr Falcon, check this thread and the links:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/208910/1/How-many-times-has-the-end-of-the-world-been-prophesied

  You'll see that people have been prophecying the end of the world since the day the world was born.

  @LostGeneration: I checked out the thread you suggested. Thanks
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  New Light @ The 2011 District Convention

  by dontplaceliterature in

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  " at the bottom of the image on the back of the invitation raises some eyebrows, but last night in the routine district convention article during the service meeting, i caught that one of the paragraphs mentioned that we would be encouraged to keep a copy of the tract in hand for a discussion during sunday's last talk.

  my guess is, there is going to be some new revelation about what the "?

  " represents, or some other fangled idea.

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  I'm just sat in front of my computor asking:

  Did I REALLY sit through all those assemblies?

  Did I REALLY go to all those meetings?

  Did I REALLY get excited, cueing up to buy that literature?

  I think it must have been somebody else.
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  Pinch me. Am I Dreaming?

  by headisspinning in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i can't even believe what's happened.

  i'm really in shock.. without any warning i got an email from my son yesterday afternoon.

  "ive been doing a lot of thinking lately, and i have decided i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness.

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  Things seem to really be coming together for you HIS. Thats good news.

  A little suggestion from my own experience:

  I always told my children:

  "Your mum will say that everything is my fault, and of course, I will think that it is hers. All of that is normal.

  The one thing that is certain is: we could no longer go on living together, because we were too different."

  That way, I avoided entering into a war in the childrens minds. I believe they appreciated that.
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  For British exjws: how has your view of the Royal Family etc changed

  by jean-luc picard in

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  with the royal wedding in the news,.

  has your perspective of the royal family, her majesty the queen, the national anthem, and maybe politics in general, changed since you left the borg?.

  even if you're not british, would you say you are more patriotic now?.

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  So for me the royals are PARASITES...

  But the wedding ( taking one example) has brought a great sum of money into the British economy,

  one that will have benefited the "common man", dont you think?

  Isn't it rather a symbiotic relationship nowadays?
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  For British exjws: how has your view of the Royal Family etc changed

  by jean-luc picard in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  with the royal wedding in the news,.

  has your perspective of the royal family, her majesty the queen, the national anthem, and maybe politics in general, changed since you left the borg?.

  even if you're not british, would you say you are more patriotic now?.

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  With the Royal wedding in the news,

  has your perspective of the Royal Family, Her Majesty The Queen, the national anthem, and maybe politics in general, changed since you left the Borg?

  Even if you're not British, would you say you are more patriotic now?
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  Famliy Woes

  by exjwza in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so my story, just like everyone elses that has left, is one of confusion , hurt, and lots of mixed emotions, .

  i was raised a witness, and at the age of 20ish bent to pressure from the elders and got baptised, my heart was never in it, not even as a child, it was more jsut the motions of it, because thats what you were taught your whole life to do.

  about a year after being baptised, i met a a young lady that opened my eyes, while she wasnt in my life long, (dont blame her, i had a lot to deal with , family, elders, etc) she was my saving grace, in the "truth" i was depressive, lonely, :( .

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  Welcome aboard exjwza.

  Like you I have only recently been on the forum.

  I had never before "spoken" with exjws.

  It has done me good. Thanks everyone. I hope you benefit too exjwza
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  Feeling funky

  by scooterspank in

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  wow...in quite the funk.

  there are so many thoughts and memories that swirl in my head when i come on this site i wouldn't know where to start.

  my mother was inactive for a bit, we got along famously!!!

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  jean-luc picard

  Hello scooterspank.

  I can understand your concern, and am pleased that you and your mum have been able to have fun together.

  It is not always the case.

  I feel that all of the fun my mother and I found is going to be sucked out by the org

  Have you got some special old photos, memories of " the good times"?

  Why not make an evening together, sharing these memories, doing something together as well ( restaurant/cinema?).

  Maybe your mum will realise what she might be asked to give up.

  Good luck, and feel free to rant a little here.
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  Watchtower published the SAME EVENT TWICE...wrong both times!!

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
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  1873 [six thousand years of man's existence ends in a.d. 1873] {wr apr 1880 88}.

  1873 "here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of adam to a.d. 1873 was six thousand years.

  and though the bible contains no direct statement that the seventh thousand will be the epoch of christ's reign, the great sabbath day of restitution to the world, yet the venerable tradition is not without reasonable foundation.. if, then, the seventh thousand-year period of earth's history be an epoch specially noted as the period of christ's reign, we shall, by showing that it began in a.d. 1873, be proving that we are already in it.

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  1972 "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them [Watchtower] as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes." {WT Nov 1 1972 644}

  Once again, not a very logical argument.

  If, in 1976, the wtbs did not admit to making a mistake about the end in 1975, then they would have looked really really stupid ( instead of just stupid).

  There is a guy driving around in a van saying the end is coming on 21 may 2011.(see other threads)

  On the 22 May he will no doubt admit that he has made a mistake.

  By Watchtower logic, that makes him a true prophet.
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  What was your "aha" moment....

  by botchtowersociety in

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  ....that made you decide to leave the botchtower society?

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  jean-luc picard

  I cant remember the exact title: something like JWs in the 20 Century?

  Anyway, whilst everone else was raving about how faith strengthening,

  I was thinking, so 100 years ago they were saying the end is iminent, and were often abused, persecuted, etc for their faith.

  And now they are all dead, and even their children are dead.

  And what about me in 100 years time? Is all that I'm sacrificing a waste of my time and life?

  I think so. So the only answer was to leave. Once the seed sown.........................